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Sunday, December 25, 2011

Edna

At around this time over the past few years I’ve written about the posh holiday parties I went to. No luck this year. I went from the A-list to the Shit-list (I blame the blogging). So instead of eating fancy canapés and talking with very important people, I went and saw Edna.

Edna was born in 1918. She’ll be 94 years old in January. Her mother died young, she went to a home for children when she was eight. In 1936 the home went bust due to the depression and a shortage of donors. She has interesting stories of what it was like to live in Jersey City during the second depression of 1937. She remembers where she was when she learned that Pearl Harbor had been bombed. Her husband went to fight in Italy during WWII. She lived an average life, and enjoyed every minute of it.

Two years ago I got a call from an Emergency Room. Edna had arrived in an ambulance. She could not breathe and they were going to vent her. I thought it was over. Not the case. Five days in the hospital (steroids, oxygen, antibiotics and 24 hr. care) followed by twenty-one days in a rehab and she was back on her feet.

Edna’s medical problems were caused by old age. There is a valve that allows food and water to flow to the stomach, but blocks it from getting into the lungs. Edna’s did not work well. The result was "aspiration pneumonia". She had two failed operations operations to repair the valve.

There is a treatment for this. They poke a hole in the patients stomach, put in a tube and tie it to a bag that the patient wears on her on hip. Ensure gets fed to the patient via the bag. Nothing goes down the throat. Problem solved. Edna wanted no part of that.

Edna’s been to the emergency room/hospital a total of six times since that first episode. She averaged four days each time. She has had two operations and spent seven weeks in rehab.

The medical profession can truly work miracles these days. This woman should have been dead (at 92 years old) when she had her first episode. If this were 1981, she would died.

With each brush with pneumonia she was advised that she should opt for the bag. If she didn’t, then she would get sick again. I spoke with her about this on several occasions. She told me the same thing she told her Doctors:

No bag! I’d rather be dead then not eat or drink again!

I can’t blame her. But there is an ugly side to this. Given the cost of the treatment (100drs of thousands?) over the past 24 months there are questions that society has to ask Edna. (1) Does she have the right to say "no" to the medical alternative? (2) If she says "no", does society (Medicare pays for all of Edna’s bills) still have to pay for the repeated hospitalizations?

In 2011 the answers to those questions are "yes" and "yes". No treatment is without patient consent and every hospital would put out a maximum effort if she were wheeled in the ER door again. America can pay for Edna today. She is a very small percentage of the population. We are still a wealthy enough nation that we can afford to give Edna the treatments and the choices. That will not be the case in ten years.

America’s population is aging very rapidly. There will be a bulge over the next twenty years. I’ve looked at these numbers. They are out of control. I don’t think it’s possible that the country can provide the level of care that Edna has gotten to all of those other Edna’s out there.

The Edna story is a death panel story. It’s a horrible discussion to have. Does Edna, at 94, have the same medical rights to make choices as does a thirty year old? If you say no, how do you respond to new knees at 74 and new hips at 84? When you start drawing lines, it’s very hard to stop.

The easiest thing to do about this is nothing. No one wants to touch this hot potato. I can’t blame them. That said, in less than ten-years the question of what to do about Edna will be asked and answered. In the end “she” must lose some of her rights. For the life of me, I can’t figure out how that can be accomplished.
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23 comments:

  1. Bruce:
    Before the USA has discussions on limiting health care or the cost of supporting solar energy mfgs., we need to address the elephant in the room. Military spending is 1/2 to 2/3 of the federal budget. What did Iraq cost? and the other countless wars? What is the economic cost of living in a police state? When the pentagon has resorted to bake sales to finance a B1, then we can talk about rationing health care with a clean conscience.

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  2. Yes, there is a solution practiced, in fact, over much of the world. Limit government involvement in health to education and allow people to freely purchase whatever they can afford with a moderate insurance policy against catastophic events.

    As can be seen in emerging economies a healthy diet and moderate exercise results in an aged population with few of the complications prevalent here. Our processed foods diet, laced with preservatives, fungicides etc. coupled with soft drinks, high glycemic carbs and artificial fats is the root cause of most modern "disease". Once diagnosed the deadly pharmaceutical industry steps in to increase complications and fatten the bottom line of the industry.

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  3. It is unbelievable how much resources this country wastes on the elderly. It will eat into resources that could have gone to growth. J. Grantham.

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  4. It is impossible to say how we will react in the future.
    I have given this situation, though , a lot of thought.
    I have a living will which details the various procedures I will not accept.
    In addition, if Medicare covers a procedure that costs $250,000, I should have the opportunity to forego the medical benefits, in lieu of a $125,000 death benefit for my heirs.
    Don Levit

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  5. Solyent Green is People!

    Difficult discussion, this one is. I ultimately think that, given the direction this government is heading, that some form of death panels will indeed be put into place.

    "After all, it's for your own good and the good of society!" will be the swansong of the politicians, who no longer act as representatives of the people, but of the Corporations/Mil Ind complex.

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  6. On one of your past articles" Social Security in Violent Transition" I commented:

    "Despite this, I know we have a demographics issue in the USA and that China and Japan share a similar metric in that there are too many elderly as a ratio to productive workers. I believe that future generations may not have the same standard of living that I enjoyed and I also believe my generation could collectively be one that does not live as long as our parents. I recently read an article that a reversal of life expectancy is already happening in Germany for those lower income workers in their mid sixties. I cannot see how its possible that our Government grants the same levels of benefits to future generations and mine that they gave to the WWII Generation. How can the country afford to give knee or hip replacements to people in their late 70's or early 80's or keep them on a dozen medications? I know its hard "math" but what's the cost benefit of that."

    You are right on with your "Edna" story and observations and I say that as someone on the wrong side (age 62) of the demographics issue. We can afford it now but not in the future. The math doesn’t work. Personally, I agree with "Edna" and would not want to live in a world where I couldn’t eat or drink normally. If government gave me the "bag" choice and I didn’t have the "unlimited operations on the government tab" choice I would hope to have a euthanasia choice. Your correct in this issue being a huge "hot potato" and the issues will be forced. There is also "Zero Hedge" against ultimate organic failures and death. The maintenance cost of the "hedge" in a world of limited resources is the debate.
    As an aside: Perhaps older traders never retire, they just get off the trading desk. There is huge mega combination multi-decade long/short trade in this somewhere. I think the "short" side is orthopedic implant companies, nursing and assisted living facilities and anyone in the medical professions who thought they would get rich taking care of decrepit boomers.

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  7. Totally with you on the A list S list migration. The minute you begin reading the blogs and doing some critical thinking/writing is when you become alien and un-fun irrespective of how 'soft" or "respectfully" you vocalize your new found knowledge and insight. Two cosmo, cocktail dress, suicide blond, same-age females develop that WTF eye gaze quickly. Kinda like "Yo talk ain't small talk no mo"

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  8. Steve in GreensboroDecember 25, 2011 5:20 PM

    How about letting individuals make their own health care and health insurance choices and then letting them live with the consequences?

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  9. Guess I'm full of quotes & lyrics lately. Your social demotion reminds me of this one:

    "Everybody is just a stranger but
    that's the danger in going my own way
    I guess it's the price I have to pay"
    --- from the song Georgia by John Mayer

    Speaking your mind and prompting discussion of relevant issues affords much greater dignity than spending time with people who prefer that you not!

    Couple comments:
    -- One factor that may push the monetary pinch out somewhat is that it's looking like scads of people currently in their mid 40's - 50's are expecting to work past normal retirement ages. They haven't saved enough and/or lost a bunch in investments and housing the last few years and some, frankly, feel like continuing to work. So, they'll be paying into the tax rolls for longer.
    -- Yikes, Don Levit, nothing like loading up more incentives for those around you to escort you on to the meeting with your maker.

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  10. The post is very important, the comments are beyond belief.

    The problem is not Edna, the problem is how much blood will be sucked to care for Edna.

    What kind of society do we live in where "care givers" can charge whatever the payments on their BMW's require to care for the elderly.

    Christmas? Scrooge would be proud. Let Edna die, but God forbid a doctor should get a penny less, or a corporation, or any other selfish ghoulish creature profiting from misery.

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  11. Excellent post and comments. These are indeed choices we are going to have to make in the near future, and no one wants to talk about them. My own father was the lucky recipient of 1.5 million worth of Medicare funds a few years back for a 3 month ICU hospitalization. He was 68 at the time and already in sketchy health. What is the price tag that we as a society are willing to pay to give a senior another 10 years of life?

    My Dad is grateful he got lifesaving care and is still here to tell the tale, but he also thinks he shouldn't have gotten that care. He also will happily tell you that "all those people who haven't paid in like I did for 40 years should just be left to die." The cognitive dissonance is loud enough to fill a room (thanks, Fox News!)

    We have serious choices ahead as you suggest. Our reliance on a fuel source not found in great quantity on our own shores is taking up enormous financial resources, as another commenter mentioned. Defense is about oil. We spend as much as we do on Defense because our military might ensures us a supply of oil and the status as the world's reserve currency. If we could solve our fuel energy needs with a resource not owned largely by somebody else, we could cut the Defense budget in half.

    But that still doesn't solve the question of how much care is our society willing to provide to seniors and at what price. Given the propensity of seniors to vote, the reality that The People will always choose to vote themselves more benefits, and the desire of politicians to get re-elected my best guess is that the country will vote to keep pumping dollars into Medicare and throw the bottom end of the social safety net under the bus. Poor children on food stamps don't vote. Edna does.

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  12. Hips/knees/stent the list will probably include various organ replacement operations as medical science along with various IPO's brings the future into the present. A friend 58 years old broke his hip recently I paid him a visit in the hospital and his wing was full of elderly recovering from various hip/knee replacement operations.
    I have raised the issue of elderly care options with friends and all of them expect their parents and themselves to have full access to medical technology until their last breath. Even bring up this issue causes heated reactions from normally rational minded Americans!

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  13. Here is a VERY IMPORTANT fact related to health care costs but, I don't hear enough people making an issue out of it.

    How many of the surgeries/test/procedures performed are not necessary? Many joint replacements are needed but in how many cases does a Doc recommend FIRST an exercise/strengthening program and, in some cases, weight loss? Don't discount the ability of enhanced muscle and weight loss to significantly improve the joint issues some people have. I have zero doubt that many Doc's push for the operation first thing. That's where the $$ rewards are.

    Listen,(charming I know) but case in point,I will be having a colonoscopy this week and the Internal Med Doc who is doing it tried to sell me on 2 additional tests at the preliminary appt! One was to check for the bacteria that causes stomach ulcers. (Because I had an ulcer...oh,friggin 20 years ago!) The other was to check for celiac disease. When she looked for my response after her drawn out description I said, "I'm liking my odds. As you stated it's present in only 1% of the population." She got a bit defensive, I assume b/c she expected me to sign up.

    Both of those tests would have been out of my pocket AND...wait for it...the surgery center happens to be owned by that Doctor group. As was declared to me afterward when I went thru the paperwork with an administrative person.

    There is conflict of interest all over the medical world and forget about ethics, the almighty buck reigns, they are quite happy to sell you the most expensive 'whatever' they can get away with. I could go on and on with similar stories. Seems to me it can't be anything less than BILLIONS of dollars spent annually on unnecessary "medical care".

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  14. 1.5 million of Medicare funds? Nice statistic, but I am afraid it is not quite detailed enough. Could you break that down please, or would that be asking too much?

    The elderly are being asked to sacrifice their LIVES so that the medical care establishment can continue its life of Riley. Only in America.

    Or should I feel sorry for the "care givers" and the corporations? Don't make me vomit.

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  15. Anon@12:49

    I don't understand your second paragraph.

    Medical establishment benefits from patients being ALIVE.

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  16. @12.49 I don't have access to Dad's bill, but he did say that it came to 1.5 million and it all got shunted to Medicare. $300k of it was pharmacy alone. He was on a respirator for 60 days in the ICU, dialysis every other day, two abdominal surgeries, infection in the main line. Then another 30 days in a rehab facility learning to walk again when he was finally checked out of ICU. Frankly, we weren't sure he was going to make it until the last week or so. Some of the nurses were starting to say to us privately "how much more are you going to put him through?" Suggesting that it might be time to let nature take her course. It was easier to keep holding on since he was 68 and had hopefully another 10 years or more of time left on his clock. If he had been 80, the decision might have fallen another way.

    My larger point is that these are not easy decisions. As the eldest, I was the one who was going to have to sign the papers to turn off life support, it was a heavy weight to bear at the time. And this is why no one wants to talk about this subject - it puts a price tag on a life and a relationship.

    I don't for one second think that anyone is going to put restrictions on Medicare. Seniors vote - in large numbers, and the Medical-Industrial Complex has lots of dollars to spend buying congresscritters.

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  17. I just spent my Christmas with my aging grandmother. She lost my 84 year old grandad a few months ago after he battled terminal renal cell cancer for 5 years. He finally just gave up, as his "quality of life" was slipping lower and lower and he became more and more estranged fro neighbors and fellow church members. In his case, this meant that he stopped eating (much).

    So, who should have been the entity to decide my grandad's time has come? Well, with one of the above commenters, I agree that whatever preventative medicine is used to help him should be working in concert with his own efforts towards health. When the medical establishment is working for life (at any cost to quality of life) and my grandad gives up on this system, something is severely broken.

    The Catholics have a concept they call Subsidiarity, in which something should be done at the most localized level it can be done. In such a system (a Cooperative arrangement Btw), my granddad's healthcare Co-Op would be balancing the cost to stretch out his life against the funds needed to support other treatments for those living in his area. And the decision would be made by people elected from within the co-op in that area. With this immediate knowledge of both my grandad and his neighbors, they could negotiate what a quality of life for their community would truly be. Quality of life, not life at all costs, should be the end goal of healthcare; and only subsidiarity can articulate the strategy to get there.

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  18. Ain't no such thing as a right to free anything.

    Pay or die. The end.

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  19. edna's conversation was probably better as "A-list" party's are nothing more than a vapid excuse for "look at me".

    I know which place I would rather be.

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  20. The reason any patient should be permitted to die instead of receiving care, in the terms of these comments, is that their care is so expensive that society cannot afford to keep them alive.

    It is so expensive, not because the tooth fairy said it should be expensive, but because, for example, the drug companies are permitted to price their products so that it costs $300,000 to keep someone alive for a few weeks.

    Whose right is greater from the point of view of society: the right of the patient to care or the right of the drug company to obscene profits?

    They are not obscene? Really? Just average Joe's scraping a living out of the red dirt of life?

    America has a choice: BMW's for a tiny percentage of the rich, or care for the elderly.

    Which will it be? Which is it?

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  21. This reminds me of how Hitchens died. My son's been a big fan of Hitch's. And, I complained that the end was thrown upon him by a doctor who wouldn't let go. Causing him to suffer more.

    And, my son said, nope. He had to agree to the radiation treatment at the end. That burned him up. And, made it impossible for him to swallow. The drama of which he put to paper.

    My son said that Hitchens wanted to stand up to death till the end. He fought for life. And, he chose. The doctor didn't force him to do it.

    In medicine doctors are taught to treat.

    The best ones treat everything they meet.

    It's up to patients to decide.

    Doctors can't do a thing to a conscious person ... without getting agreement.

    Given Edna's life story, she has been a fighter. And, a survivor.

    You can't change how this works. You can only make other options when your turn comes.

    And, you're always better off when the doctor knows all the byways to "cures."

    On a journey none of us can survive at the end.

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  22. Without a doubt, the person who does not have to pay for medical bills will do as she likes. And even if she goes bankrupt, today everyone thinks someone else will pick up the tab, either the government or the hospital. The individual however has an accountability, just as an individual like Hitler makes karma to a large group of people he does not know personally. So this karma of Germany from one person caused the nation to be weighed down into the future. So it is not just a matter of updating legislation to meet the needs for fiscal responsibility that is the need of the hour, but the welfare consciousness has a big price tag that citizens who do such things do not understand that they like Hitler put the karma on a nation and themselves. This is a conscious decision before ones God to either choose to cause others to suffer or not, so Jesus taught, love one another as I have loved you. Thus, his statement applies to this case of Edna who is flouting karmic law. The choice before her is to make karma or to live as Christ did for the future generations or for ones country. This is not done in ignorance, as angels come to deliver these tests, so do not be fooled by her age that longevity connotes right choices and tolerance.

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