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Tuesday, November 8, 2011

Thoughts from Athens

I talked to someone in the shipping business this morning. He happens to be Greek and has substantial interests in the country. We never did get around to talking about ships. Some of his words on the status quo in Greece:


The situation today is worse than ever. Business has stopped


The world does not appreciate the extent of social deterioration in the country.

Soup kitchens are forming to feed people.

Many old age homes are desperate. Many are indebted. The have been pleading for donations.


Wealthy ship owners have been discussing a private initiative to provide support for those on the edge.

There is no possibility for a unity government. There is less chance for this in Greece then there is in the USA. You think there is a problem between Democrats and Republicans? Here, they hate each other.


Papandreou was desperate to get out. He could not see how he could continue to play a confrontational role with the Greek people. He was losing his ability to maintain civil order. He did not want to govern a country that was going to become either a police state, or fall into a state of revolution.


An interim government may pass new laws and make promises to the EU and IMF. Most in the government want to stay in the EU and stick with the Euro. It’s in their best interests to do so. That’s what the EU is pushing them day and night to do.


It’s way to late for this type of orderly transition. It will end badly for Greece.

There is a sense of optimism in the markets and the press that a soft landing can be achieved in Europe. That a “solution” is hours away. Only “one more” vote in parliament is required in any of the countries facing trouble. The financial resources needed to address the problem are available. There may be a temporary liquidity issue but solvency is not a question. The social, political and economic consequences of what will come are all manageable.

I thought I would provide this fellow’s thoughts as a contrast to all that hopium.

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9 comments:

  1. " That a “solution” is hours away. Only “one more” vote in parliament is required in any of the countries facing trouble."

    My brother was a heroin addict, one more fix was all he said he needed, then he would clean up. He died with a needle in his arm.

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  2. But What do I Know?November 8, 2011 12:40 PM

    There was another interesting article on ZH talking about how little of the "bailout" money actually goes to the country of Greece. This is consistent with what I read about how the Latin American debt crises would be resolved by issuing new loans where the money would never leave the US. Bruce, you were on Wall Street in the eighties--is this correct (or largely correct)?

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  3. "Fast cars and loose fiscal morals: there are more Porsches in Greece than taxpayers declaring 50,000 euro incomes" - Ian Cowie writing in the Daily Telegraph Oct 31st. Just maybe the Greeks bought some of this on themselves.

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  4. But What do I know: That is indeed correct. Mexico was forced to accept a bail out because that was the only way for the US to bail out the NY investment banks that had "invested" a lot of money in Mexico. This then forced Mexico to have to push through extreme austerity measures, because obviously those debts too "had to be repaid," and this had become much harder than before because the debt level was higher than before.

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  5. But What do I Know?November 9, 2011 4:17 AM

    @Foppe

    Thanks for the response. I wasn't sure but it sounded very similar.

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  6. …It will end badly for Greece.
    How can it end badly to come out of slavery to the central bankers? Micah 5:4 reads, “And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.” To have a real economy, one needs freedom to act with a Yankee spirit. What the EU and IMF wants is for you to pay interest to banks, serving their god of usury. And the Law of Life will throw out the money-changers in the temple. Life is about using one’s talents for God realization, not to serve the banks.

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  7. I like that tag on the wall 'Hope" Obama must be campaigning their too.

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