There are people all over the globe who have looked at the rapid un-gluing of the financial system and have bought gold as a safe haven. That’s another example of capital flight.
Every time that something stupid crosses the tape from one of the EU deep thinkers the US bond market catches a bid. Yet another example of capital flight.
I could go on for a bit with this. There are dozens of examples. All around the globe one can find evidence that money is moving around with the sole purpose of finding someplace “safe”.
Capital flight is a perfectly logical consequence in today’s world. Barely a day passes where we are not reminded that nothing is safe any more. Not our currencies, not our equities, not our bonds and certainly not our banks/brokers.
In Greece there are many example where capital flight is undermining stability. The most obvious is the capital flight from the Greek banks that has taken place over the past few years. This flow of money is also perfectly logical. There are many risks of leaving money in a Greek bank:
-The Bank could default. The principal in the account is at risk. The guarantee (up to E100k) is from the government. What's that worth? If the banks were going under so would the solvency of the government.
-The government could default. The chaos that would follow would result in a freeze of all bank balances.
-The government could announce one morning that it was re-establishing the Drachma. This would mean that any Euros in a Greek bank would be automatically converted into Drachmas at the old official rate. The value of those Drachma would be worth half (or less) as a result of the immediate devaluation that would occur.
Put yourself in the mind of a Greek who had some savings in a local bank. What would you do? You would do whatever you could to get your money to high ground. It would be perfectly reasonable for you to do that. And that is exactly what the Greeks have done. They’ve moved billions of Euros to Swiss banks in an effort to preserve their wealth. In the process they have crippled the Greek banks and have added to the downward spiral in Greece and the rest of the EU.
There was (IMHO) a very significant development on this front last week. A move is being made in Brussels to “force” the Swiss government/banks to transfer all of the assets of Greek citizens back to the Greek banks. For a Greek this means that your money is hostage. It has been functionally expropriated. It will be transferred into a banking system that is fraught with risk. Some portion of the money that goes back to Greece will certainly be lost.
I have talked with some who I know in Athens. They are out of their minds with this development. Some thoughts/quotes:
- BRUSSELS—The European Commission is helping Greece negotiate an agreement with Switzerland to repatriate as much as $81 billion believed to be hidden in Swiss bank accounts, a high level European Union executive body official said Nov. 17.
$81 billion?? That’s massive. This is not the shopkeeper or pensioner. This is big bucks and that means the Greek shippers. It is a fact that the Greek government doesn’t tax the foreign earnings of the shippers. Call that a mistake, but that is the law. As a result, the shippers have held huge bucks in Switzerland. It’s not dirty money. Right or wrong, there was no legal tax on this.
The European Commission is working with Switzerland and Greece stop what it believes is an ongoing exodus of money from Greek bank accounts into Swiss and other offshore banking centers, the EU official said.
The only way to stop capital flight is to address the underlying causes of the flight. That can’t happen in Greece for years. The alternative is to trap the money, force it to go where it is at most risk. The owner of the money will have no choice. Any rights they might have to preserve their assets will be abrogated.
I’m amazed at this development. The Swiss government/banks are obligated to cooperate with EU tax authorities when there is evidence of tax fraud. But that is not what this is about. The people in Brussels and Bern know that. The fact is that the Greek tax system is so screwed up that there simply are no taxes levied on certain types of income/capital (the shippers). No doubt, some of the Greek cash that is in Switzerland is there because of tax avoidance. But the vast majority is simply safe haven money.
The word “Repatriation” sounds nice enough but really it means “Theft and expropriation”. There will be nothing voluntary about this. There will be little (if any) due process.
If this happens (the folks in Brussels are pushing hard) a very dangerous precedent will have been set. Flight capital will have been made illegal. Where might this go?
-It will go to Spain very quickly. After that it will go to Italy where there are truly huge fortunes outside the country. I see a development like that as being a lights out event.
-It will come to the USA. EU residents have tons of assets here.
-Money that is subject to forced repatriation back to countries with weak banks and bankrupt governments will seek the last remaining safe haven, gold. If governments go so far as to repatriate money, they would also not hesitate to make gold ownership illegal. That too would be a lights out event.
We have a situation developing where the technocrats in Brussels are trying to institute capital controls. They have put a gun to the Swiss government to achieve their objectives. They will likely succeed. The fear of broader capital controls and more repatriation will spread like wildfire. The fact is, capital flight is a very reasonable response in our current environment. Capital controls that either stop or reverse it will undermine confidence and create a panic. Those officials in Brussels have no idea what they are unleashing.
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Bruce,
ReplyDeleteThis is a very ominous development. It will mean that the safe haven status of Switzerland is ending. There have been other signs but force repatriation gets my attention. Does this suggest that moving from Switzerland to precious metal storage with ViaMat in Asia would be prudent?
Bruce,
ReplyDeletecan you provide a link for the story you are quoting?
I would like to have a look at the article as I don't seem to be able to find it, and I'm afraid that there might be some misinterpretation here:
1) 100k is guaranteed in Greek bank accounts, although by Greek state, so not as safe, but not as bad
2) in the EU, there is free movement of goods, people, and capital. If one can show that the money has been taxed/declared as income, I do not think there is any way in which they could do that unless the European Commission suggests breaking EU law (ok, strictly speaking, this may not apply to swiss accounts, but would definately apply to, say, accounts in Germany)
3) from what I've read, the Greek authorities are trying to make a deal with the Swiss to remove anonimity from accounts held there by Greeks, so that they are checked for tax evasion. If one wishes to retain anonimity, he would have to pay a 35% tax on all assets held there since 2000 or so. If one does not insist on anonimity, he is not liable to pay anything, as long as he can show that the money is not a product of tax evasion. Is this maybe the correct story that you are refering to?
4) Nothing like what you are describing has appeared in the Greek press, neither today nor in the past week. Being Greek myself, I can assure you that there would have been a big deal about such a development from the populist Greek media.
In any case, Switzerland seems to be under attack and it will definately cost them.
Would really appreciate your thoughts.
Keep up the good work!
They'll just move their money to another tax haven. Indians apparently are ahead of the curve and moving to their cash to the Bahamas
ReplyDeleteAn amazing surge in India's exports to the Bahamas has stoked the lingering suspicion that a slice of the country's trades is sham transactions done to bring back money stashed in secret accounts with offshore banks.
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Bruce -
ReplyDeleteYou've used the term "lights out event" in several blog posts and, whereas, I can conjure a variety of definitions, I'm interested in how you define it, so I can apply appropriate context.
Very much enjoy your blog. Keep it coming.
Brussels is forcing the capital into gold.
ReplyDeleteEnd of story.
All these other "safe havens" have counter-party risk, and they will all eventually defer to gold, and when they have the ECB will have been recapitalized via its MTM gold reserves. The debt crisis will be over due to everything devaluing against gold.
Your's is one of the best blogs on the net. Thanks Bruce.
This resolution does not suit the dollar, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.
For Atlantan
ReplyDeleteA lights out event:
"The lamps are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our time" (said about the start of the First World War)
Or may be it should be:
The money is flowing out of Euros. We shall not see it back again in our time!
Nice lights-out quote.
ReplyDeleteThere is also the boxing usage, in which a forceful blow causes lights-out (loss of consciousness)
This will be a big step for sure, but I see it as more a trend over the last 10-15 years. The international banking system has been tightening up controls and intrusiveness in the name of stopping money laundering, corruption, tax evasion, terrorism, etc.
ReplyDeleteBecause so much money is nothing more than bits in a computer system, allowing unlimited freedom of money flows is not sustainable. It completely takes away from government power over money, which makes governments jealous.
I don't see it stamped out though. It's an arms race as there'll always be new demand and supporters of off-shore money centers.
- If funds are in francs, it is hard to see any EU country having jurisdiction. Money is the PROPERTY of the issuer, lent to the holder. Money would be tied up in Swiss courts for decades: look to reparation of Jewish funds post WWII. Ditto, gold in deposit.
ReplyDelete- EU needs Switzerland just like Greek shipping magnates, they can only push Switzerland so far. Why? B/c Swiss franc peg bailed out banks/capital mkts all over the EU.
- ECB & Bundesbank should be recycling flight capital back to Greece and others. That is the central banks' job. EU appears to think the crisis is taking place in China or Australia, not in Europe. Actual hands on administration is absent, no wonder the system is falling apart.
- The only way the EU can stop capital flight is close stock and bond, F/X, commodities markets. They would do better by making investment rules, such as requiring Greek capital sent to an EU country must take the form of equity that that country's banks. The ECB can then use equity swaps to recycle capital back to Greek banks. The idea is to kill the panic not feed it.
- Greece Treasury should keep euro and issue drachmas as a local currency (as demurrage money) and reschedule its euro debt. With sufficient drachmas the Greeks could go back to work (those that do work) and some drachmas could buy euros which would then be used to retire some of Greece's euro debt.
- IMF/EU/ECB apparatchiks should be detained at Athens airport and put back onto first plane out of country: alternative: jail. Merkel, Sarkozy need to go to Greece themselves and pitch the Eurozone in person.
- If any EU country exits euro, the EU is finished as there are no safe euro havens, Germany will crash, too.
Steve said:
ReplyDelete"The idea is to kill the panic not feed it."
Says who? If the ECB are happy with a panic into gold, then this is good strategy.
My takeaway from Bruce's post is that safe havens for capital will be sought more and more. Ultimately all safe havens have counter-party risk, apart from physical gold.
ECB have been anticipating this for decades.
There must be a solution sooner or later, and we are getting into the later already. You either try to target the panic, or you let chaos reign. I think they are trying to target a run into gold, as a massive upward revaluation of gold solves the problem in the least messy fashion.
Look at what a higher gold value does to the Eurosystem balance sheet, via their MTM gold reserves. Gold takes the blow, and they are recapitalized.
Blondie,
ReplyDeleteUltimately all safe havens have counter-party risk, apart from physical gold.
This is a frequent claim by gold advocates. It lacks any basis in reality. In 1918 the new Bolshevik regime in Russia began what Alexander Solzhenitsyn called a wave of "Gold Fever" in his first volume of "Gulag Archipelago". Anyone suspected of not having exchanged their physical gold for the new paper rubles was arrested by the Cheka and jailed until they coughed it up.
In early 1933 the new Roosevelt regime also outlawed "physical gold". As part of this decree access to all bank safety deposit boxes was suspended until they could be inspected by government agents.
You can try to hide "physical gold" but people with guns, badges and a claim to moral superiority will come after you. Even if you are as good as the movie "Blondie" they will still win.
And if you still succeed in hiding "physical gold" what then? When was the last time drug dealers reported a theft of their illegal drugs to the police?
As Machiaevelli observed, gold can't always get you good soldiers. But good soldiers can always get you gold.
As a safe store of value gold has proven to be demonstrably worthless and generally dangerous to its owners. That's because it consistently fails at precisely the moment it's most needed. As a stable store of value in turbulent times gold has the same qualities as a load of 99% pure heroin.
otoh you can always seed archeological deposits for future generations to find. Ancient Roman Britains did this 1600 years ago by burying hoards of gold coins. These stayed in the ground until their owners joined them.
Bruce,
ReplyDeleteWouldn't a better title be "Monetary Flight"?
Money is not capital. It is just a medium of exchange that sometimes acquires real capital (services of skilled workers, equipment, land, buildings, flow of raw materials, access to established markets, etc).
It seems to me the way to generate physical wealth for an entire society is to focus on these real capital components, and not on 'money' by itself. Germany appears to have more of these real 'capital' & 'wealth' components than the PIIGS states do. This is what is creating the "imbalances" everyone is complaining about now.
Paper and computer memory configured as "money" is just abstract.
What is your source for the Greek Swiss repatriation quote? I find the quote much cited on the web, but can't find the original news article.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, there appear to be negotiations on a new Swiss-Greek tax treaty. The thrust seems to be collecting unpaid taxes. Sounds like a good idea and similar to deals the Swiss have done with the U.S., Germany, etc.
Anon @3:48
ReplyDeleteThe quote comes from a private info source. It is a fee paid service. There is no public link (it is part of Bloomberg). A lawyer sent me the content. Here it is:
European Commission Helping Greece Repatriate Billions In Unpaid Taxes Hidden in Swiss Bank Accounts
Posted: Nov 17, 2011, 5:48 PM EST
BRUSSELS—The European Commission is helping Greece negotiate an agreement with Switzerland to repatriate as much as $81 billion in unpaid taxes believed to be hidden in Swiss bank accounts, a high level European Union executive body official said Nov. 17.
The effort is part of an overall plan to help Greece improve tax collection as a way to resolve its debt crisis. At the same time, the European Commission is working with Switzerland and Greece stop what it believes is an ongoing exodus of money from Greek bank accounts into Swiss and other offshore banking centers, the EU official said.
“There are very clear figures on how much in deposits has been pulled out of Greek banks,” said European Commission official Horst Reichenbach. “The missing revenue has been identified by the International Monetary Fund. Solutions are being explored to provide Greece with an adequate way to increase tax revenue taking into account the vast amounts channeled to Switzerland by Greek nationals.”
However the European Commission also noted that of the $81 billion thought to be in Swiss bank only half is “theoretically collectible” and that, considering current legal difficulties, a much smaller amount will be retrievable in the short term to help ease the Greek debt burden.
I find your blog very informative. I would like to inquire as to how you hedge your portfolio. Do you own gold and if so approximately what percent of your portfolio is in the yellow metal? Many thanks
ReplyDeleteThe article you quote has the following part in caps missing:
ReplyDelete"The European Commission is helping Greece negotiate an agreement with Switzerland to repatriate as much as $81 billion IN UNPAID TAXES believed to be hidden in Swiss bank accounts."
Why did you remove "in unpaid taxes" from the original quote? I hope you aren't trying to sensationalize something that isn't happening?
The article doesn't say that Switzerland is transferring Greek balances back to Greece full stop. The Swiss would NEVER EVER agree to that, it subverts the very essence of their sovereignty. The Swiss have agreed to more reporting and oversight by outside countries -- see the recent decision to report US account holders to the IRS.
How much of that money is from the corrupt "connected" Greeks who've been doing such a good job looting the country for the last couple of decades?
ReplyDeleteIf this were $81 billion being gouged from the small business owners of Greece, I'd be bothered. But my guess is that most of this money is from people who got it via political connections, rather than by actually earning it.
Pardon me if I don't worry about them getting screwed after they spent so long giving Greece the kind of economy that led it to the mess it's in now.
Okay. Brussels knows it's losing. Their stature disappears. Belgium will divide into two pieces. One being the "Walloons." But when the dyke breaks ... it's Brussels grip on power that disappears.
ReplyDeleteThe real story is Angela Merkel. She started with the "euro crisis." But she won't let this disappear. She's negotiating, instead, on behalf of the germans. (Who OWN trillions in real gold stock reserves. They never spent their original GOLD stash given to them after WW2.)
"Lights out?"
Not so sure.
Because Obama is not a player! Goldman Sach's reputation went down the toilet with Corzine. And, you can't make money on Wall Street ... as kids once did. That job market dried up.
Anywone that "stashed" their fortune with MF, meanwhile, has discovered how "customer accounts" disappear. And, a judge waves a wand. So that any money OF YOURS is frozen.
As to politics, Spaniards just spoke at the polls.
As to the exiting politicians ... you should just know the sizes of their pensions tend to range, annually, into the millions of dollars.
Maybe, that's what will keep "values" safe? These are not sub-prime mortgage holders.
And, yes. When the Euro goes under ... Angela Merkel is GRABBING FOR GOLD. May she plotz.
"Ultimately all safe havens have counter-party risk, apart from physical gold.
ReplyDeleteThis is a frequent claim by gold advocates. It lacks any basis in reality ....".
The main problem with this rebuke is two-fold. First, gold, in fact, does not have counter-party risk in financial terms. That was all the original commenter was asserting. End of story. You are trying to create a straw man argument that people buy gold because it is risk free in all senses. Who has ever claimed that?
Second, you have set up a second straw man in assuming most people buy gold for the emergency situation. They do not. They buy it to maintain purchasing power. This has always been the prime reason to hold it.
I'll assume you didn't buy at $300 and you still are not buying. What will your excuses be when it is at $2,500?
I wonder if a certain part of this turmoil is being managed. As elected gov'ts are phased out in Greece and Italy, it becomes easier to force those countries along certain pathways.
ReplyDeleteSome of the tension in financial markets is useful to the EU apparatchiks.
Maybe Brussels and their moneyed friends see a herd that can be stampeded? No doubt they'll be in a position to profit from that stampede.
ReplyDeleteAngela Merkel would be voted out of office, IF she saw an election happening in Germany.
ReplyDeleteWhile the "crisis" is getting old, by now. Merkel is really just in "negotiations." Some of it sounds like jokers in the deck are flying. As Merkel (and Sarkozy), swimming against the public tide, want more powers to go to Belgium? And, Germany? Based on the fact that she's lost support?
All Merkel is really doing is trying to grab powers through the EU ... most of the citizens in the major European countries don't want her to have.
You know, if Jon Corzine didn't just "bet the wrong way on Italian Bonds," I wouldn't question the "winningness" of insider hands.
But Corzine, who headed Goldman Sachs, when Goldman Sachs was INVENTING complex CDO "vehicles" ... and, then saw his company betting against the germans ... who kept supplying money to sub-prime marketeers ... Ended up making BILLIONS. While most investors LOST.
Jon Corzine knows the complexities of bond markets ... on par with someone like George Soros. Or pick your own "human calculator" model.
Then, I saw Obama unwilling to enter the fray. Hmm? Winning by not betting at any particular table.
He's not supporting Merkel.
PANIC is the name of Michael Lewis' book, before BOOMERANG.
The "average" investor is NOT at this table! And, is not coming back anytime soon.
Since Jon Corzine bet wrong ... I'm going to bet so, too, has Angela Merkel. Like with Chavez, in Venezuela ... it's just a matter of time.
Does Germany have real gold in its state's vaults? Unless it got stolen, you're talking about TRILLIONS IN GOLD! Untouched.
Just like America used to have gold at Fort Knox. Then? Cash went off the gold standard. Which meant you couldn't convert your currency into gold.
Maybe, to USE gold, Americans will find the laws don't protect them? The IRS could be funny that way?
What if the Greeks don't cooperate?
ReplyDeleteThey're not the Irish! Where the Irish government covered the debt that would have been lost ... because the developers were such hogs! In Ireland, the problem got out of hand ... when no one would BUY the property under construction. Or that had been built.
The Irish are willing to pay off this debt.
The Greeks are not!
Since no nation in the EU can cancel the political choices made by a few ... what the world gets to watch is that the Greeks are shrewd players. Their prime minister just exited his political career.
Germany, Switzerland and France can try to screw Greek "depositors" ... because lots of Greeks has pulled their own money out of their banks. But what happens if Greeks then flee to their bank accounts? Doesn't an EU passport open the door? You can go anywhere. It's like going from Kansas to NYC. What usually stops you is that you need money to do it.
Greeks who've put their money in Switzerland? It's in Euros. No matter what happens ... The Greek depositor ... with a numbered account ... has his money not only deposited ... But it can be withdrawn ... While on a trip.
What does Greece export, except people?
What does Greece import, except tourists?
Oh, yeah. "Switzerland" as a tax collector, because they have depositors. Also wants to keep its banks whole.
"Discussions with other states aren't the same thing as hitler's army at your door.
And, if Switzerland fails? There's always Uruguay. There "hidden" charms are in an EVITA song! (Despots are the first people who make sure there's a safe banking system.) Where did you think the Nazis were piling up their horded loot?
"As a safe store of value gold has proven to be demonstrably worthless and generally dangerous to its owners."
ReplyDeleteI knew there would be at least one commenter who would be good for a laugh.
What's the alternative? Hand over everything you have and starve? Most people I know won't do that willingly and there are a hundred million guns in the USA that will disagree with your assessment.
The underground economy is the fasted growing economy in the world. Gold will always have value, it just might not be in the regular economy. Even under the most extreme situations, gold had value.
You should start getting prepared. With your mentality, it's going to be very difficult.
"Gold will always have value, it just might not be in the regular economy."
ReplyDeleteWhichever economy gold has value in is probably the one that should be regarded as "regular".
Nigel Farage! Glenn Reynolds posts it. He rips into Rump-roy. And, the other "hyenas" who were never elected. But who seem to be "protecting" the EURO.
ReplyDeleteDunno if that Nigel Farage video clip will go viral. Or not! But it's great to see that you can aim your fire at UNELECTED MEN. Who trot across Europe. And, take down governments they don't like.
GOLD? Shop Tiffany's. They've got gorgeous gold stuff. And, you can wear it. From earings (if not tiaras). To rings for all fingers on hands and toes. Bracelets. And, as much as you can doll up your woman. It's how the ancients left their encampments. Before bank vaults.
It actually put fancy precious stoned jewelry on the map.
Follow the money.
Gold? It's hard to use when you want to bribe someone. Men haven't quite figured out how to wear lots of gold. Outside of the drug culture.
"As a safe store of value gold has proven to be demonstrably worthless and generally dangerous to its owners. That's because it consistently fails at precisely the moment it's most needed."
ReplyDelete"Demonstrably worthless"? How do you know this? Irresponsible (ax-grinding?) speculation.
Please say what option has been, or could be, better.
Anything in your possession MAY be vulnerable; but anything not your physical possession will almost certainly be more vulnerable to being unavailable to you at crunch time!
Gold's fame makes it very liquid; less famous objects, of the sort I deal in, are less liquid, but more likely to be glossed over by brigands.
well said...pointable...
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ReplyDeleteThe Chinese govt ain't gonna be repatriating anything.
Also, gold and silver bullion is most price competitive here as well.
Hong Kong's govt balance sheet is beyond bullet proof and our bankers never drank the derivative koolaid
The lights out event will be to governments who do not uphold a moral standard of keeping value in currency or gold. It will take a George Washington who although had a poor army had morals to uphold trust based on his courageous and determined ability to stand up for what is morally sound. As we saw with Fed Bullard’s comment that the MF Global loss of $600 million client accounts happened rightfully with he having no moral compunction, so trust is king. Not cash, bonds, currency or gold. Trust is king, and only those who have the Christ standard can bring stability. A lights out event is accurate that when people do not have light in their consciousness, they uphold darkness. And so we saw the vomit list, we saw the Bullard statement, we saw the G20 and Super Committee meetings and on and on. Only those who look to providence, to God will stability return.
ReplyDeleteQuite sweet! I don't obviously have any excuses for something like this right this moment, however, if I ever before perform, I shall be likely to come back! Most I'm able to think are until this will be crazy good!
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