Thursday, November 17, 2011
A Bet for Bullard
James Bullard (St, Louis Fed head) was on TV this morning. He said a number of things that I thought were off base. The biggest was his comment on the collapse of MF Global.
Bullard was pretty smirky about the ending for MFG. He was “pleased” with the outcome. He actually smiled.
I understand why Bullard thinks this is a story with a happy ending. Here we are, three weeks since the demise of the firm and as of yet there has been no crisis that has befallen the markets. Bullard made clear that there has been no bailout of a financial firm this time around and that the system is working as it should.
Okay Mr. Bullard I'll make you a wager. A six pack of your favorite beer. Give the MFG story another month and it will be a problem. It will undermine markets. It will impact confidence in our financial system. It will impact liquidity. As those things occur it will force both Treasury and the Fed to take actions. While those actions may not take the form of any direct bailout of MFG and/or its customers there will be a significant cost to the broader economy.
I would have agreed with Mr. B if it were not for the problem of $600mm of missing client money. There has been a massive effort by forensic accountants and the FBI to locate the loot. As of last night, no one has been able to find it. Three weeks into this and no one can find it? I would call that a crisis in and of itself.
It is now clear that something has happened that should never have happened. Seg. Account money has been lost. This matter is far from over as Bullard suggests. There will be ripple effects.
I’m amazed that there has not been a market consequence to the MFG affair. It’s possible the larger issue of the ongoing collapse in Europe has, so far, masked the importance of this event.
I’m amazed that the Treasury Deportment has not spoken out after three weeks. Everyone who operates in markets understands risk. But in my mind (and in many others) I went to sleep every night knowing that the money I had had in a trading account was segregated and therefore safe. It’s not possible to do that any longer. That’s a very significant change.
I’m amazed that there has not yet been any evidence of money moving out of second tier brokerage accounts. Should we get a confirmation that money is moving, it’s likely that contagion will occur.
I have no doubt that money in seg. accounts at the likes of Merrill and Morgan Stanley is safe. That does not matter. The cheapest thing one could do is put cash outside of seg. accounts. The most expensive thing one could do is leave it there and face a loss of principal. It’s a very lopsided risk and reward.
Are we on Mr. Bullard?
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> I went to sleep every night knowing that the
ReplyDelete> money I had had in a trading account was
> segregated and therefore safe. It’s not
> possible to do that any longer.
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> I have no doubt that money in seg. accounts at
> the likes of Merrill and Morgan Stanley is safe.
Huh? Could you somewhat clarify which money in your view is safe and which isn't? (Assuming you didn't mean to simply point to the difference between current account & savings deposits vs. trading accounts.) If large brokers aren't safe, then why would banks be?
Where did you get a picture of Judge Reinhold (circa 1982)? :>)
ReplyDeleteYou are spot on here, Bruce. This guy's remarks just show how much the Fed cares about not having The System break down and how little they care about crime and malfeasance in financial markets. In their view, as long as the markets continue to trade it doesn't much matter if some random participants have their money stolen. It's a bit like being a school principal--as long as the doors stay open and no one important is making a fuss than it's not really important if little Johnny gets shaken down for his lunch money--
Another good post.
ReplyDeleteBut, are we writing about real money, or the pixie credit created by the bank fairies in the last 10 years?
I'm not being sarcastic, I just don't know?
And here across our western border in Germany. we can smell the overheated printing machines working full-time and I just don't know what they are printing? DM's; Neuros; Drachma's; Lira's?
I fear Rapallo 1922 or Ribbentrop-Molotov.
maybe you've written on this recently and i missed it, but does anyone else see the connection here between MF Global and Refco?
ReplyDeleteRefco collapsed (fraud/embezzelment). Bought buy Man (UK) out of chapter. Refloated by Man as MF Global. Now, MF collapses (fraud/who knows what else).
Just throwing it out there.
The finger pointing over who will take the losses proves that the money is long gone. Customer funds/assets held by financial institutions will all be under review, meaning money market funds, 401K, etc. Just because you have a piece of paper that says X financial firms is holding these assets has little meaning as large leveraged bets blow up. Who thinks that the cash on the sidelines hasn't been pledged?
ReplyDeleteMany have asked me why I think that MS and Merill are different.
ReplyDeleteFirst let me say that I could be wrong about that. If I am it will be a lights out situation. It would stir a problem that could only be solved with massive federal intervention.
I worked at wire houses for a long time. There was one rule and everyone knew it. Don't use client money. It was the golden rule.
This was an ethical issue. It was also a legal issue. You go to jail for commingling.EVERYONE understood that.
In order for their to be commingling at ML and MS it would require that hundreds of people are involved. Senior management, Compliance officers, internal and external auditors, etc.
I don't think it's possible that so many people could be involved in such a large conspiracy. It doesn't work like that.
I don't think there was any commingling at MSG up until a few days before the BK. If we find out that was not the case there will be perp walks. It will go to the most senior levels of management in the firm.
If you have funds with a brokerage firm, whether that firm is Ameritrade or Schwab or at a large bank like WF would you close (and or) reduce those accounts? Please know that I am not treating your responses as investment advice, but, rather, informed opinion.
ReplyDeleteThere is a difference between Commodity accounts and Stock accounts. Commodity accounts segregation have long been the holy grail. Completely untouchable. Even Refco didn't touch Seg accounts
ReplyDeleteHow many people own stocks that are really in "street name" and know nothing about this is scary.
In the end I firmly believe that everyone at MF will get all of their seg funds back. The other clearing members and exchanges will not let that happen. They can't, it will be game over.
leverage is the core issue in this situation and the general financial sector. Leverage creates the illusion of money velocity in financial equity/commodity/FX/ and credit markets generating price movements and creating large fee's for the insiders but the risks these activities generate extend to the general population. Without these high leverage ratio's our GDP would be lower and modern life might not be so fast paced but it would not be as dangerous.
ReplyDeleteEduardo. If you are with a broker like Ameritrade you have SIPC. This protects you up to $500k. Beyond that there is some risk. I say there is very little risk.
ReplyDeleteA trading account with a futures brokers is another matter all together.
A CPA / forensic I know says of the missing money, "impressive", meaning whoever did it was very skilled indeed.
ReplyDeleteThe initial transfers from the accounts are easy enough to track but after that can get very convoluted indeed as the money sluices around the planet in and out of accounts.
I don't agree. When Jon Corzine had his car accident, he was governor. And, he almost lost his life! Today, people regret that he didn't.
ReplyDeleteSo while you may be out there "winning 6 packs of beer" ... I think Corzine's face is on par with Pelosi's face.
The number to know? It hasn't been divulged. But how big are the annual pensions for those "top of the breed" people like Corzine? Does he get millions and millions of taxpayer dollars, annually? He served in the senate. Then, he was governor.
I'd bet his monthly pension checks, alone, would run a small government. (Though now that's he's lawyered up) ... the raid on his pocketbook will go to legal fees.
Corzine won't pull down the market, anymore than Bernie Madoff did. Maybe, the difference? One's sitting in a jail cell for his own protection. And, Corzine may never see the inside's of one.
But making people MORE CAREFUL of their investments? Just another lesson learned.
While around 1942 ... a man wrote a book about Wall Street. He titled it: WHERE DO CUSTOMERS PARK THEIR YACHTS?
For those who don't know. Wall Street abutt's the East River. Or the Hudson. From its shore you can see the Statue of Liberty. There are docks for big ships, nearby. And, JP Morgan always parked his yacht, when he arrived to work every morning.
On the other hand? The average customer got lost. People, during the Great Depression, lost so much faith in the stock market ... the only people buying and selling stocks were insiders.
Today? Everyone on commission is finding it hard to make a living.
Corzine's gonna get sunk on his own backlash. Not that he's the only crook.
Good Grief Bruce... you are suggesting ANOTHER bailout? You obviously started drinking that six pack early (and a lot more).
ReplyDeleteWe can argue whether Corzine is guilty of outright theft of customer funds (I doubt that can be proved) or if he is guilty of breach of fiduciary duty (that case almost wins itself, since the SEC doesn't regulate futures).
Its going to be impossible for the SEC/CFTC to avoid massive cuts if they don't send Corzine to prison and seize all of his assets. Given Corzine's Democratic party credentials, having the case unresolved as we head into 2012 is not going to help. What party is Bob Rubin? And Lloyd Blankfein? And Tim Geithner? Hank Paulson doesn't really help the elephant party.
At this point, preserving the credibility of the financial system requires one of the kleptocrat cronies to go to prison with a very visible perp walk. Corzine just volunteered to be that guy.
But another bailout? In an election year? For futures traders? Don't start drinking that six pack yet
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There is little significance between brokers and banks. The only safety is if people are honest. And Fed Bullard's saying that the system is "how failure should work," is wrong. It is easy for crooks to do their dirty deals. The SEC and Fed has been accurately labeled as the fox that kept the hen house.
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