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Sunday, April 10, 2011

Dean Baker - "let's Just Default"

An interesting article by Dean Baker today. "Defaulting on debt is not the end of the world". Dean has gone over the top and is now advocating a debt default by the USA as a way of “fixing” our problems. Dean thinks that the existing obligations of Social Security and Medicare are much more important to maintain that our credit rating. His words:

Compared to these outcomes, (cuts in SS and Medicare) a financial crisis and the subsequent slump that follows may seem like a relatively small cost.

Baker thinks this would be an easy matter. He points to Argentina as an example. This just proves that Dean has no clue what he is talking about. Yes Argentina defaulted and recovered after a few years. But Argentina is not a reserve currency that has a linchpin role in the global financial system. Argentina is a fraction of global GDP (Argentina = 0.5%; US = 25.0%). Their default was painful to all. Both citizens and creditors suffered. Savers lost everything. Pensioners got worthless script versus the payments they were promised. Dean thinks following Argentina is the right thing to do:

The experience of Argentina may be instructive in this respect. Argentina defaulted on its debt at the end of 2001. By the end of 2003 it had recovered its lost output.


it is also likely the case that the United States would rebound and possible rebound quickly from a default.

I don’t know how to handicap the possibility for a debt default by the USA. In 2007 I would have said it was a near zero possibility. Today it's no longer zero and the odds rise by the month. The scary thing for me is that no one is doing a damn thing about it. The budget silliness of last week is a case in point. The idiots in D.C. damn near shut the government down over a few billion bucks. Lunacy. And now ‘important’ voices like Baker are suggesting default is a viable option.


It’s hard to imagine what a debt default for the world’s biggest creditor would be like. Some of the things that I think could happen:

-Mr. Baker must come to grip with the facts of default. As he and many other defenders of Social Security have said repeatedly; the assets of the Social Security Trust Fund are equal in legal status to the debt issued to the public by Treasury. This means that it isn’t possible for the US to default on its public debt without also defaulting on the Special Issue bonds in the SS Trust Fund. As SS is running a cash deficit on a monthly basis it would only take 30 days for all checks to stop. Period, full stop. Social Security would cease to exist.

-The Medicare Trust Fund, Military Pension Trust Fund, Federal Workers Trust Fund would also default. They too would stop issuing checks. Medicare would no longer function. Some level of medical care would be maintained. But older people who needed lifesaving treatment wouldn’t get it. Hundreds of thousands would die. The number could easily go into the millions.

-Surely we would see a collapse of the dollar. The cost of everything we import would triple++ in a very short period of time. The price of gas would be $10? 50? 100?

-Equity markets in the US would collapse. A loss of 50% would be a good outcome. It could be much worse than that. We know that the wealth affect drives the economy, so this result would insure a collapse of US GDP. How long would the depression/recession last if this were to happen? At least a decade. It would be worse than what happened in the US during the 30’s.

-Unemployment? A minimum of 25% would be the result.

Interest rates? Who knows? There would be no debt market left in the event of a default by the US. There would be no credit available.

-If Treasury were to default, every mortgage borrower would follow suit. If the banks were not wiped out by the federal ‘no pay’ they certainly would be wiped out by the mortgage defaults. Almost all banks would shut. This would cascade back to the FDIC. The withdrawals from account holders would force the FDIC to honor its obligations. As they have no reserves this would force Treasury to issue coinage ($100 bills) to satisfy the run on the bank. This is the hyper inflationary environment. The price of basics (food) would explode. Shelves would empty. People would go hungry. In the years that followed a default many would starve, many of those would die.

-All municipalities would be forced to default. All muni savers would be wiped out. The business of local government would shut down. They would be unable to make payroll, so no one would work. Garbage collection would stop. There would be no police. Crime would be rampant. Armed robbery, rape and murder would be common. Vigilantism would rise. Open conflict on a regional basis would be the result. There would be no fire departments. Cities would burn.

-All infrastructure repairs and investments would stop. In a very short period of time roads, bridges, ports, airports would become dysfunctional. It would not really matter that much. There will be no gas or diesel to power vehicles, so the broken roads would be empty.

-Most public education would end.

-There would be no real estate market. There would be no Fannie, Freddie or FHA. There would be no lenders to finance a home. There would be no liquidity. Prices would collapse. A house would sell for a few months of food.

-It’s difficult to image the consequences outside of our borders. Neighboring countries like Mexico and Canada would implode. The decline of the US economy would ripple around the world. Other countries would be forced to repudiate their debt. It’s possible that a default in the US would force all big debtor countries to follow suit. At that point all seven billion people would suffer.

-Functionally there would be no US military. Regional warriors and pirates would rule. Major nations could start wars over natural resources.


I suspect that a number of readers will agree with Dean. Pull the plug on the whole system. Let the chips fall, let the shit fly. That may happen. We are most certainly headed in that direction. The probability of this happening just increased a notch or two. Dean Baker has a big audience and a fair bit of support. Big shots like Paul Krugman quote him all the time. Now that Dean has put his reputation (and CEPR) on the line by calling for a debt repudiation he will be forced to push his agenda. Like I said, this is a “popular” option.


Dean Baker is the champion of Social Security and Medicare. His many supporters should understand that he is advocating policies that insure that their savings, benefits and medical protection would be wiped out. He would destroy exactly the group that he thinks he is trying to protect. They should at least see him for what he is. A fool that will ruin them.


18 comments:

  1. Baker is just calling for honesty instead of coward thievery and obfuscation. Bernanke can print, monetize create inflation in the name of freedom and democracy as he creates a soft default and haircuts or the country can be honest, define clearly their aims and go forward from there.

    We all know everbodys not going to get paid back in full. It's not possible. US hegemony, credibility and ability to shape events or even control the message is dying on the vine. Better do something soon.

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  2. There is a lot to bash on the Repub side, no question. But on the big financial issues facing us today, I am still waiting for something approaching a realistic, responsible proposal to be launched from the Dems. And after all, they do still control the Senate and the WH.
    There is a lot of truth to this quote from Mickey Kaus: "it looks like a tacit conspiracy of Washingtonians not to sacrifice the jobs of any of their friends, or the local economy, by any kind of actual slimming down (of the sort a private company in similar straits would have undertaken years ago). … In effect, the respectable ‘pivot to entitlements’ position says,”we’re going to cut Social Security checks and Medicare for mid-income old people to save the jobs of $180K equal opportunity officers at the DOT."

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  3. " In effect, the respectable ‘pivot to entitlements’ position says,”we’re going to cut Social Security checks and Medicare for mid-income old people to save the jobs of $180K equal opportunity officers at the DOT."

    More so to shield the campaign donators for each party. The decimation of unions has drie up that source of campaign funding for the neo-libs. Now Wall St., defense industry and others long known as conservative backers are being wooed by Obama and the piss poor "progressives."

    If Obama plans on cutting spending for the poor and elderly he better hurry. When the distribution of wealth stats come out covering the last two years, they will show a record gain by the top 2%. More than under Bush.

    The Spokesmodel-in-Chief will need all his charisma and salesmanship to sell his plans to those who supported him, his base.

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  4. IF an overt default is engineered, old people won't get their medical care, prices would collapse, muni savers would be wiped out, etc., etc.?

    So what's your alternative? Tinkering with the system? Continue to borrow and spend imaginary wealth? What do these dire consequences say about TODAY'S system and its sustainability?

    Either those things happen painfully slowly, over years, or they happen painfully and quickly, after which a realistic economy caan be developed. But they are unavoidable.

    I can see nothing but inflation ahead, period...

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  5. Borrow borrow borrow, spend spend spend. Then decide 'Oops, it sure will be inconvenient if I have to pay all that money back. So I won't.'

    It's pure genius.

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  6. Theres lots of comments on ZH that state you're just carrying water for the banks, that you supported ZIRP and benefited from it, that your nothing more than stream of consciousness hack for the banks.

    After reading your writings for a long time, I think I have to agree these comments. You should shut down this blog Bruce. You have as much credibility as the Bernank.

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  7. Baker thinks this would be an easy matter.

    Baker thinks... I don't believe he does...

    There's never a problem too difficult for a central planner. Hayek warned us about such people.

    The talk of such a strategy just lowers our status in the world.

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  8. Fred, I don't carry water for anyone. Not Dean Baker, not Paul Krugman, not Bernanke, not Geithner. I have ripped apart Fannie, Freddie, FHA the entire MI industry, the banks in general, the Swiss government and all of the dumb DC programs like TARP and QE.

    My record is in these blogs. I expect some flack on this one. Like I said it is "popular" to talk about a federal default as an option. I just wanted to make it as clear as I could that this option ain't going to be cheap. It will hurt more than one can imagine.

    Dean is a fool for tossing this out. If this makes him "popular" so be it. As events unfold I will be proven right. Want to rip this country up for the next twenty years? Default on the debt is the way to go for you.

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  9. BK,

    There's nothing wrong with game-playing an idea, even a fairly radical idea like defaulting on Treasuries.

    That's not the issue.

    The issue is taking these game-plays seriously—or in other words, willfully ignoring the terrible effects of such a radical proposal, and thereby saying, "It wouldn't be so bad", as Dean Baker seems to be doing here.

    There was nothing wrong with Baker wondering if whether defaulting on Treasuries wouldn't be the solution to all of the U.S.'s problems. His fatal flaw was in not instantly recognizing the terrible costs associated with the decision to default, and instead, pretending that it would be "like Argentina—no big deal".

    This is willful blindness on the part of D. Baker. I suspect a lot more economists are going to start seriously toying with this incredibly dangerous and foolish notion, and thereby give it intellectual respectability in policy circles.

    After all, defaulting is easier than actually doing the job of cutting expenses and increasing revenues—and the clowns running the circus are all for easy ways out.

    GL

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  10. Come clean. Yes or no?

    Either you default, restore standards of living to something sustainable, reform the dysfunctional parts of the system and build something better. The government is the major part of the problem.

    Or you believe that the game can continue, tinkering, "revenue increases" and adjustments will solve the problems, debt can continue to be amassed and rolled over as ever and everyone can somehow be assured that they won't have to take an entitlement haircut. Government is part of the solution to you.

    Which is it? Can't be both...

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  11. But What do I Know?April 11, 2011 7:55 AM

    I hear what you're saying, Bruce--it's not that default isn't an option, but that one shouldn't toss it out there cavalierly, as if it were easy or without consequence. There will be real and painful consequences to default, just as there will be real and painful consequences to continuing down our current path.

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  12. Defaulting would be a very big deal, but it's the only moral choice. The government (and those who support it) is spending the wealth of our children without their consent, something a private citizen could never do legally.

    I'm 100% with Rothbard on this one - repudiate the national debt!

    http://mises.org/daily/1423

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  13. The dumbest part of Dean's article was that it contained not a hint of a connection between default and saving SS & Medicare. Default would do nothing to preserve the existing system. It's sort of like responding to an engineer telling you a bridge can't bear future traffic with a suggestion to blow up the bridge.

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  14. Default on what? To default on all debt and all currency? Domestic? International? We will have to default, not on everything, but certainly the debt that foreign countries have us by the neck and can choke America as a national identity anytime without shooting a missle. I believe in bankruptcy. It means, private or public, new opportunity. -MG

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  15. Go to my website: Howheal.com. I have a free downloadable book. Chapter 10 I talk about how Adam Smith thought we should manage our foreign trade. If we would but default on our foreign debt and put into place yuyu (new currency) exchanges we would not be manipulated by our currency. Yuyu exchanges force exports to equal imports. The dollar would no longer be manipulated by the Federal Reserve by having other countries buy our debt, Congress would no longer need to figure out what to impose as tax on imports, etc. etc. We need a solid system that protects America. Believe me, it is not Bretton Woods.--mg

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  16. I'm not sure you understood Dean's article. Saying something isn't the end of the world and endorsing it are two different things.

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  17. I take back what I said about Dems not having a plan. Here it is:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/155509-hoyer-joins-obama-in-calling-past-vote-on-d

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  18. I agree with Mr. Burton: Default is a simpleminded "solution", that appeals to the emotion of frustration. This is not a situation where you want to decide things based your current tantrum (justified or not).

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