"The guys at Enron never would have done this! I mean this is so blatant, so extreme that, is anybody paying attention to what these guys do?"
I suppose it is a good thing when a guy like Gates gets involved in matters of public policy. He’s spending his own money. He has no axe to grind. But nothing is as clear as it appears. It’s not at all certain to me that Big Bucks Bill is on the right track.
Central to Gates’ educational agenda is his belief that American schools do not turn out enough scientists. That we will inevitably fall behind places like China or India as they have more scientists than we do. Bill believes that we should redouble our efforts to improve math and science education. If we do that our future as the global leader in science and technology is assured.
Actually that is not true at all. The acute problem we face is that there are too many scientists. This (long) article by Beryl Lieff Benderly tells a much different story than Mr. Gates. I few quotes from the piece:
It is not, as many believe, that the nation is producing too few scientists, but, paradoxically, just the opposite.
“There is no scientist shortage,” declares Harvard economics professor Richard Freeman.
Michael Teitelbaum of the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, cites the “profound irony” of crying shortage — as have many business leaders, including Microsoft founder Bill Gates — while scores of thousands of young Ph.D.s labor in the nation’s university labs as low-paid, temporary workers, ostensibly training for permanent faculty positions that will never exist.
I loved these words by Susan Gerbi, Chair of molecular biology at Brown University. This lady is on the top of the heap of scientists in America:
"Obviously, the “pyramid paradigm can’t continue forever,” Like any Ponzi scheme, she fears, this one will collapse when it runs out of suckers — a stage that appears to be approaching. There has been relatively little attention given to possible solutions for the scientist glut — in no small part because the scientific establishment has been busy promoting the idea that the U.S. has a shortage of science students."
So are we creating a Ponzi scheme of scientists? Or are we critically short of scientists? I don’t really know. The evidence is pretty clear that there is a very big glut today. And there is every indication the glut will get bigger. These folks better find something “Big” to do. I see no new “cutting edge technology” that is going to suck up the supply of the underemployed scientists. We’ve already invented all the “good” stuff. Inventing more stuff that extends lives is really not all that helpful at this point.


The "scientist" surplus is simply a facet of a larger problem--there are way too many university graduates and (more specifically) post-graduates in this country. The surplus is even more acute in liberal arts and the soft sciences. . .
ReplyDeleteWhat Gates and his ilk miss about education is that college rarely teaches its customers anything specifically useful--it is simply about providing a "credential" so that one can be hired. Requiring more and more "education" for the same jobs is pointless to anyone other than those selling that "education."
Bill is talking his book
ReplyDeleteWhat Bill and his cohorts are lacking in the U.S. is American educated scientists they can pay at Chinese wage scale.
They have a bias towards Amerian engineers, but don't want to pay them American wages.
Our culture has not accepted the implications of computers,technology and its impact on our lifestyle. Our perceptions of work,business and education are based upon the time before computers so we are constantly struggling to apply the past to the present with limited successes. Consider for a minute that computers have not been invented, then we would need more human labor including scientists but modern software applications and computer power has filled that gap and will do so in the future. University education has become a corporate plug in it needs to generate a wave of thinking outside its self imposed box, a difficult task.
ReplyDeleteThe Bill-Gates-spoke link appears to be broken
ReplyDelete(or at least runs into trouble at Google/Blogger).
As I've been saying for some time, we're not producing enough jobs for scientists and engineers to do. If there are jobs, people will invest the time, effort, and money needed to get the jobs.
ReplyDeleteThere are no good unemployment figures for scientists. The closest equivalent is the number and length of post-docs and those have been rising for decades.
It is common for businesses to confuse university education with vocational training - it's the latter they want. Universities aspire to academic excellence, which of itself is a noble aim; businesses want trained 'graduates'. Both sides need to understand that they have incompatible objectives. They should cooperate in providing the training businesses see as useful, and to make it successful businesses need to commit to it by hiring guaranteed numbers of 'graduates' for a minimum term with agreed wages.
ReplyDeleteSure is going to happen!
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"We’ve already invented all the “good” stuff. Inventing more stuff that extends lives is really not all that helpful at this point."
ReplyDeleteWhat are you smoking, Bruce??
Odd. HuffPo seems to think that the Gates "Enron" comment refers to state financial budgets, not scientific careers.
ReplyDeleteThe link you posted does not work for me either so maybe BillG is busy accusing sundry bad guys as "worse than Enron".
Still....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/03/bill-gates-ted-2011_n_830972.html
During a second appearance onstage at the annual TED conference, Bill Gates spoke out against worsening state budget deficits caused by accounting "tricks" he said would make Enron's former executives blush.
The Microsoft co-founder and philanthropist said state budgets have received a puzzling lack of scrutiny and have been "riddled with gimmicks" aimed at deferring or disguising the true costs of public employees' health care and pension obligations, citing California's ongoing budget crisis as an example of creative deficit spending and the subsequent cuts to education spending as an unacceptable cost.
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/03/the-hollowing-out-of-the-us-income-distribution-under-the-pressure-of-technology.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+BradDelongsSemi-dailyJournal+(Brad+DeLong's+Semi-Daily+Journal)
ReplyDeleteDelong brings up this same issue from the point of view of how computer technology is and will impact higher level business employment.
Looks like BillG has been drinking his own cool aid for too long.
ReplyDeleteCheck out this Blog on your free time:
http://minimsft.blogspot.com/
It’s a very popular anonymous blog used by Microsoft employees to discuss work related issues. Take a look at a few pages of comments and noticed the number of people complaining about the H1B problem. Keep in mind that the blog owner screens out comments that are not politically correct or are overtly hostile, so these comments are from the nicest Microsofties lol
Bill Gates = total doofus. That's as much math as I know.
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