Could changes in the tax code lead to a reversal of the trend? Possibly. That being the case, “Who might the winners and who might be the losers” is a good question to ask. A partial answer to that question comes from Martin Sullivan (ex Treasury economist) in testimony last week before the House Ways and Means Committee. He used this slide :
The following discussion makes some important points on who gets hit and who will win:
As the table shows, low effective tax rates are common in industries like pharmaceuticals and computer equipment where it is easy to shift technology and manufacturing to low-tax jurisdictions. In industries where customer markets and the provision of services are largely domestic, the opportunities for reducing taxes through cross-border profit shifting are limited.
This list is worth keeping as the issue of changes in the tax code is contemplated. Should the result be that the statutory rate is lowered to ~25% (and foreign breaks are eliminated) those companies who have taken maximum advantage of the existing Code to move profits and operations overseas will get hit the hardest.
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The shareholders at GE might look at these results and vote to give Mr. Immelt a pay raise. But the American people should look at this and say, “GE is the poster boy for our problems”.
But Obama has just made Immelt his advisor on the economy and jobs creation. The guy who has done such a good job at GE in avoiding US taxes and moving jobs overseas is now advising the President on how to do exactly the opposite.
This is just crazy. The results prove that GE is no friend of America. Jeff Immelt wakes up every morning thinking about what is good for GE shareholders (as he should). But what is best for GE is not best for America. Immelt has a tremendous conflict between his day job and his responsibilities as advisor to the President.
Post the November election Obama is doing all that he can to appear to be a centrist. He is trying to warm up to corporate America. Immelt is his “show pony”. I don’t think he could have made a worse choice. He will regret it before the next election.



I sent your column to my representatives. Thanks for the info.
ReplyDeleteBruce,
ReplyDeleteI am disturbed by the tenor of this post.
Instead of attacking the mixed economy that has resulted in the problems now facing this country you start barking up the wrong alley. When collectivist ideology creates obstruction for production and trade for individuals and businesses', they find whatever other (more onerous) avenues they can find to continue earning their livelihoods --but that is not what you have referred to in your post.
There is no place in a free, capitalist country for a position such as that now given to Mr Immelt. But that has been nowhere questioned in your post. What you are implying is that the interests of the citizens of this country are necessarily at odds, with one group fighting against another, and there is (and can be) no harmony in the interests of rational men.
In a country that has enough intellectuals and politicians that are fueling and stoking the fires for the demise of this great country, it is time for the better people to stand in opposition morally and question the valuations of the facts.
Please check your premises.
ahem. turning into a zerohedge kook. it so happens that in the last 3 years GE took massive losses from GE Capital that almost brought the company down. it also happens that % of international revenue shifted between '00-'10. you of course know all these, yet chose to pander to your audience.
ReplyDelete"Jeff Immelt wakes up every morning thinking about what is good for GE shareholders (as he should)."
ReplyDeleteI'm very happy to see someone actually SAY that, because it is and should be true.
The public, however, is woefully out to lunch on this, with most people thinking that corporations should be sort of public services-cum-charities whose sole mission/responsibility is to provide high-wage jobs and low-cost products to Americans.
And there's nothing incongruous in having Immelt in government if you remember that corporations and government are one and the same anyway...
Anon @12:11
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about? Check my premise? What does that mean? I am apposed to the Immelt selection. I think it is a conflict for him and the country. Are you suggesting that "What is good for GE is good for America"? I hope not. Because there is no truth to that statement.
Anon at 4:40
ReplyDeleteYes I am a Zero Hedge kook, as you put it. If you are happy that the CEO of one of the largest corporations in the world is now a senior adviser to Obama, then I think you are a KooK.
Kreditanstalt:
ReplyDeleteYou say:
And there's nothing incongruous in having Immelt in government
My friend, we disagree. I think this is an incredible conflict of interest. America will be worse off as a result of the President's choice.
bk
don't be coy bruce. we were talking about your arguments: interest rate and jobs overseas. are u shocked there's cronyism around? immelt's been on NY fed board for a long time. howzat for a conflict?
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I really can't see the downside of lowering the corporate tax rate to zero and simply taxing capital gains and dividends at ordinary income tax rates. American owners of shares, of course, can ex patriate themselves, but the United States, as a whole, can only benefit from such a change in policy. Why do corporate taxation supporters hate America?
ReplyDeleteAnon at 4:40
ReplyDeleteI am aware that Jeff sits down with Ben and the boys and talks out of school. I'm not happy with, never have been. This is all to cozy for me.
But your boy Jeff just took over Volker's job. Here's the deal. Immelt's no Volker and he is conflicted up the kazoo.
Yancy,
ReplyDeleteJust who is going to pay the bills? No one? We just borrow every fucking dime? Borrow the interest too? No taxes on anything? Everything is free. No more tolls?
Sorry, It does not work that way. We can talk about how much we spend. What we spend it on. We can talk about where we get revenue to do the things that must be done.
But don't tell me that the tax rate to live in America is "0". And don't tell me that big companies don't have to pay into the costs.
Jesus Christ, Bruce, did you even read what I wrote? What makes you think I think the total tax rate can be zero? I wrote that the corporate tax should be zero and that dividends and capital gains be taxed at ordinary income tax rates. This should easily be revenue neutral.
ReplyDeleteOf course we both agree that Immelt should not be there! I said "There's nothing incongruous about having Immelt in government...IF..."
ReplyDeleteI was speaking tongue-in-cheek: there doesn't seem to be any conflict IF you view government and corporations as working hand-in-glove on the same agenda...