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Monday, December 20, 2010

Too Much Alcohol

My very expensive Stihl “climbers” chainsaw won’t start. I yanked on it till my arm hurt and then threw it in the back of the truck. I toss in (the also expensive) back-pack blower that won’t start either. I go to the repair place. The guy in the back, behind the grease-stained counter has a grizzled look to him. He’s about 5’2”, 200 pounds, no hair to speak of and chewing an old, unlit cigar. He looks at me and my handful of machines and says, “What’s the matter, you can’t start em?”

I take this the wrong way and respond, “I’ve been starting these things for years. It ain’t me. It’s the damn machines!”

He eyes me and says, “Your problem is alcohol”.

Being pissed to begin with as a result of the sore arm, busted machines and wasted time this took me over the top and I snapped back, “My drinking has nothing do with the fucking machines!”

He takes a second, grins, and comes back with, “No, I meant the alcohol in the gas. That’s why the motors won’t start. I see a dozen just like em every week”.

So I shuffle and back-peddle a bit and listen while this guy explains to me that when alcohol exceeds 10% of regular gas it dissolves plastic engine parts. Things like fuel-lines or float gaskets in the carburetor. When the mixture is too rich the engine burns hot and wears out the rings. He explains that the legal limit is 10% but that all the fuel distributors cheat and mix in some extra alcohol so they can make a buck. When the mix gets to 15% it’s toxic for two cycle engines. And that is what killed my machines. He pulls off the gas line and shows me that it has deteriorated to the point where it has fused shut.

Armed with this new found underground information I go online to see if anyone else knows about this. Sure enough, it is all over the web. But what gave me a laugh was this article today: (Bloomberg link)

Carmakers, Engine Makers Challenge Rule Allowing 15% Ethanol in Gas

The premature introduction of mid-level ethanol blends (as a general purpose fuel) could result in unintended adverse impacts on the 250 million Americans who own and operate over 400 million motor vehicles, motorcycles, lawnmowers, chainsaws, recreational boats, ATVs, etc.

The EPA granted a request from ethanol producers, including Decatur, Illinois-based Archer Daniels Midland Co., to increase concentrations of the corn-based fuel additive in gasoline

This bit spells out the problem with alcohol and gas. The EPA has now proposed that all gas contain 15%. They want the subsidies for ethanol to be expanded. Along the way they are going to shorten the life of all the engines we use. Progress? Stupidity??

I’m thinking to myself that if the guy behind the greasy counter knows this, why don’t the bright folks in D.C.? Or do they know it and understand it, but they are doing it anyway because they have an axe to grind? Either way, it’s a sorry state of affairs.

By the way, the repairs cost me 175 bucks.

16 comments:

  1. If you own a few 2 stroke engines then it's time to learn how to fix them. Once you know how to take a carb apart and clean it as well as check for spark/gas then your never going to pay anyone for more than a carb repair kit and a length of gas tubing. Yeah the gov screwed you but getting taken to the woodpile by the repair guy is just being stupid. What he did is not magic and you only have to learn it once then it's easy.

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  2. Anon at 1:21
    The Russians used to build cars like that. They broke constantly, but were easy to fix. Everyone was a mechanic. But that is not the answer. That causes more problems then it solves.

    Yes it is wise to do these things rather than pay others to do. But there is point when it starts to go backward. The Russian economy collapsed for about ten years as a result of this type of silliness.

    That said, thanks for the tip.
    bk

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  3. I can still get premium gas without alcohol in Wisconsin. My yard tools use that.

    My current car is a Diesel, bought to get away from ethanol.

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  4. Bruce, the gov't did something like this back in the 80's too as I recall on pushing ethanol.

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  5. Bruce. Innocent and unaware, living in your dreamland. You just don't "Get It", do you buddy?
    See, it's like this: The Government - and it matters not a whit which party is in power - knows far better than you what is good, and bad, for you. And they, not you, will continue to push and squeeze silly men like you and me into the boxes they decide we belong.
    Next they will put limits on commas and parenthetical elements. That, along with ethanol poisoning, might be my undoing.

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  6. Bruce i had a 2010 BMw 535 and 15 months and 4 fuel pumps later they took it back off lease. i knew the problem was the alcohol, but the germans were to proud to admit it. Have you ever looked at the net energy loss of alcohol from corn vs. benzene? The big ethanol producers got a big portion of those alcohol plants out of bankruptcy for a song. politics is a beautiful thing!
    25 plus % of US corn goes to ethanol production. food inflation anyone!

    PS i was over big time on the BMW lease miles so not a total loss. however got an Infiniti M37 and all i can say is not a BMW!
    Think i am headed he diesel path next time.

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  8. Bruce,

    I'll try this posting business again with some polishing.. :')

    Talking to Senator Durbin's office it looks like the EPA is looking at, and so far has not found detrimental effects of 2007 model cars on up.

    The roll out to fifteen percent ethanol at the pump is a ways off, but the person I talked to stated that E10 & E15 would most likely be offered.

    I too am not happy because ethanol, our corn based version, is bunk (lower MPGs, catalytic converter issues, fuel line degradation etc...).

    Another government decision (EPA) wrought with inefficiencies.

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  9. Back to drinking not burning alcohol. Does anyone believe our government would let,say Seagrams or another distiller label their products as 86 proof alcohol and put 70 proof whiskey in their bottles? A case could even be made that doing so would be beneficial in that it might reduce drunken driving and health problems from over consuming alcohol. How in the hell can fuel suppliers get away with adulterating their product?

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  10. Most of what is sold is E10 - 10% ethanol. Stihl says that E10 is fine. Cleaning the carb is probably what fixed things - had nothing to do with the ethanol.

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  11. abellia,

    It depends on the equipment. If the engine's 'soft' parts aren't alcohol tolerant, then it's going to happen just the way Bruce described it.

    Bruce,

    The reason they aren't aware of it in D.C. is that no one in places of extraordinary power uses gardening equipment. One benefit of outsourcing is you don't have to deal with 'little' problems like a chainsaw not working.

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  12. Being a glass half empty kinda guy, I can't help but think this is a attrition based continuance of the Cash For Clunkers program.

    We'll slowly destroy your engine, but in return, you'll have to buy additional lawn equipment to save the economy.

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  13. Bruce, unless you're running the equipment every few days and cycling fresh gas through them, run your outdoor power engines to empty. it's not perfect but it helps, a lot. (and i know your main comment was about the screwed-up ethanol "policy," but sounds like we both have expensive toys.)

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  14. Anon 12/25
    I go to work with these toys.

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  15. Bruce and all -

    The ATV/outboard motor community is going apeshit over this (I think it's likely that those motors are much more to fix than your garden equipment) so I'd look into what those guys are doing for tips to fight the problem.

    Another factor is that alcohol absorbs water from the air, so this reduces gasoline's lifespan from (in my not so scientific opinion) ~ 1 year down to ~ 3-6 months.

    There are testing kits available to detect when the alcohol exceeds the 10% limit - might be a worthwhile investment.

    I haven't used these but here's some links:
    http://www.fuel-testers.com/order_ethanol_alcohol_fuel_test_kit.html

    http://www.fueltestkit.com/

    here's a way to do it with just water:
    http://www.ehow.com/how_2143193_test-fuels-alcohol-content.html

    Might want to try to see if a station offers 'racing gas' - sometimes they'll have a pump for muscle cars etc - maybe that doesn't have alcohol in it? IDK...

    Good luck!
    -DaveP
    PGH PA

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  16. Hi Bruce, I feel your pain with these small engines. My stihl chainsaw needed $75.00 of work, plus 4 trips to the shop 12 miles each way. Now I run the tank dry each time I use it. My tractor has fuel shut off and I run the carb dry at the end of each use. My big field tractor and jeep are diesel...thank God. Ken in NH

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