The Market did this and will do it again.
A week ago spreads on Irish debt got pushed to levels where a bailout is required. On paper they do not need a bailout this week. They have minimal borrowing requirements and technically could just ride out the storm. But Irish yields could not stay at 9% for long. It just adds to the cost of the next guy in line. The next up in the domino chain is Spain, behind that is (incredibly) Italy and should those tiles fall even France becomes suspect.
That chain of events simply can’t be allowed to happen. I will make a prediction: Should Italy fall prey to the markets in a similar fashion as Ireland the dominoes will be falling on every continent.
Italy does not deserve a loss of confidence, but that is irrelevant. Once money starts moving it is very hard to stop. I think every finance minister is aware of this. But I see a big speed bump in the process ahead. That bump is the USA.
When Greece went tapioca last May the EU responded with a $145B (equivalent) support package. Of that, $40 came from the IMF. The US is 17% of the IMF but because there are dirt bags like Venezuela who don’t pony up their share the US is on the hook for ~20% of the Greek deal. Back in May this was sort of a ho-hummer. Some minor opposition:
"It is simply unfair—as a matter of principle—to force American taxpayers to use their hard-earned money to prop up failed policies in relatively wealthy nations," Rep. Todd Tiahrt, a Kansas Republican.
A lot has changed since last May. The opposition to US involvement will not be muted in November. Geithner and Obama are well aware of that fact.
The talk is for a EUR ~100b deal for Ireland. Throw in Portugal and you get EUR 120b or a total deal not so far from that for Greece (total=$160b). The US share of the deal could come as high as $15b if the IMF plays a similar role as in Greece.
This is a rounding error and should not be considered. But it will. The IMF involvement in an Ireland/Portugal bailout will not go over so well with the Tea Party set. But I fear it will get much worse. I think there is a case for the Fed to get involved at some point. They may be forced to open up swap lines to EU Central Banks as part of a broader restructuring of EU debt. Consider this info from the CIA on total external debt.
Note that Ireland has a mountain of external debt that is not Public Sector debt. This is largely the domestic banks. There are cross border assets on the books of these banks. Therefore on a net basis the external debt is not as large as it appears. However in order to address the Irish problem this mountain of assets has to be reshuffled. That will prove to be far more difficult than a narrow bailout of the Irish government bond market. For it to be accomplished in an orderly fashion it will require that large amounts of liquidity be made available. In the past that has always brought the US Fed into the picture.
If a US role is required it will come at a great cost to the Administration. If the Fed gets involved there will be hell to pay. If the USA balks at a critical moment, the EU effort will fail in the market eyes. At that point the market will go into full predator mode. A lot is riding on what should not be such a big deal. But that is the way of things.




I saw this originally on Zerohedge. I also read some of the comments, which mostly I find useless over there.
ReplyDeleteI noted this one:
You seem to be inferring "he's trying to destoy the euro" via making "the bailout of Ireland if not impossible then prohibitively expensive."
Which was in answer to "Tyler Durden" saying:
..., are used as a key fulcrum by Blackhawk Ben to stop ECB from printing EUR.
I would say that if Bernanke doesn't want the ECB to 'print euros' it's because that will strengthen the dollar and so hurt the US recovery -- such as it is -- by making US exports more expensive than they might be. Otherwise what is Bernanke's motivation?
Bruce,
ReplyDeleteLet's assume Obama, Geithner and Bernanke "play ball" and bail out Athens, Dublin, Lisbon, Madrid and, let us not forget, Brussels through the agency of the IMF. This means bailing out the French banks that overexposed themselves to these semi-sovereign polities without their own currencies. Very good. Let's nominate for the Good World Citizen ribbons. Sarkozy and Dominique Strauss Kahn can present them at a ceremony under the Arc d' Triomphe.
The morning afterward what's the answer to similar governments in Sacramento and Springfield? "Go to hell"? "You aren't important enough"? "The US Constitution only permits bailouts of foreign governments in foreign confederations"?
Maybe every bankrupt US state should secede from the US and join the EU & Eurozone so they too can get bailed out by the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve?
Anon 12:56 All good points. How can we help out Ireland and not Cali? Possibly the answer is we will (try) to bail everyone out.
ReplyDeleteExpect a flurry of unfortunate activity in this space between now and when the next Congress is seated. If a bailout occurs then, there will be a wave of Bernanke impeachment calls, and if not him, then Obama himself.
ReplyDeleteBK I just dont get WHY you think the Fed must get involved? Or is it that youre just stating what will happen? Sounds like you agree with it which is BS.
Yes, "the market did this and will do it again".
ReplyDeleteBut there is a saying ~ "Anything stupid enough to find itself balanced on the edge of a cliff deserves to be pushed".
Are these governments - not to mention the banking sector - so highly dependent on continued borrowing and deficit spending that they cannot withstand the demands (or quite legitimate GREED!) of their creditors?
Let it happen. If the Irish (and Greeks, and Portuguese...) had wished to avoid being at the mercy of the markets (the "speculators") action should have been taken long, long ago to balance their budgets, avoid leverage, and talk down promised returns to bondholders, investors and citizens.
But the bigger question is: is any system so very dependent on betting, on leverage, on credit any more than a Ponzi scheme writ large? There is no way that such a failed system should be insulated from the real world marketplace, from the need to satisfy lenders. And they are NOT "evil speculators"...they are bettors perhaps, or lenders, stakeholders or just plain-vanilla speculators. Whatever. But they have the right to do that and to push anyone dependent on them any way they can.
Perhaps Bruce Krasting has been working in the heart of this system for too many years to see that its demise would be a GOOD thing. It would make not a whit of difference to most of us, the common people. The demise of this dysfunctional financial system/pattern/behaviour - call it what you will - will lower living standards in Ireland. As it has in Iceland. That is the long and short of it, but there is NO way to avoid the eventuality of lower living standards and austerity coming to pass somewhere, sometime, to some people. All the bailouts do is to delay it and shuffle the problem off to another time, place or people.
You're advocating more Extend-and-Pretend when the best thing would be to let any and all debtors go to the wall...
If the EU crisis were to get seriously out of hand, the ECB would not be able to print enough Euros to salvage the situation without destroying the value of that currency. It's then that these swap lines could be opened.
ReplyDeletekreditanstalt: With the passage of time, I fully believe you will get your wish. Just be careful for what you wish. Instability and violence are the handmaidens of economic collapses. But I fear that this is really the only way to eliminate the banksters hold upon the people. Ireland's impending bailout is not for the Irish people.. it is in reality making them indentured servants to the banks, through no fault of their own. One day soon enough a nation or group of them will simply give the banksters the finger.
Anon 4:47 Did not intend to support this. I hate intervention. I am just trying to look around the corner and guess what might happen next. I am an observer, not a participant.
ReplyDeleteKreditanstalt. Hmmm. You have me on this. I am not a bailout boy. Never have been.
ReplyDeleteSometimes action is necessary. I wish that were not the case. What defines an avoidable emergency and what defines something that can't be healed and must be taken out behind the shed and shot?
Never an easy call. I think most of the things that were done in 08/09 were/are evil, but they were necessary as "we" were up against the wall.
I say a crash and burn for Ireland is not necessary. It would be an unforced error. A blow up here would quickly spread. History would look at this and laugh. Globally we spent $4-5 trillion digging ourselves out of a hole, only to fall back into it because of an "insignificant" Ireland.
I don't think you will like the "Dark Side" that you are rooting for.
bk
Something only has to "be taken out behind the woodshed and shot" when it has no hope of recovery.
ReplyDeleteThe present financial system - not merely "Bretton Woods II" but the full scheme of irreemable currency, fractional reserve banking, central printing and the resulting availability of easy leverage - is manifestly insolvent and incapable of being resussitated.
It can be propped up, for some time or some years, and made to go on. But someone, probably "innocent" common people, somewhere, sometime, will have to ultimately pay to rescue those big players who made ill-advised and reckless bets.
THAT is evil enough...and by futilely attempting to patch and fix we would be perpetuating the lie that the wealth necessary to support all the financial and stand-of-living expectations of the population really does exist.
Compounding the injustices of the system.
We operate in a Ponzi scheme, as ZH has reiterated numerous times. The possibility of everyone collecting, even anywhere CLOSE to simultaneously, on their expectations does not exist.
"Peak credit" features so much debt, so much leverage and so much "money" chasing so little actual production of goods and wealth that "investing" itself has now largely been reduced to speculation - or gambling.
Why perpetuate the lie? By bailing out one deadbeat after another, who do you think you can ultimately "make whole"?
The ENTIRE SYSTEM cannot ever be made functional and sustainable, long-term. Those who bet wrongly, whether large or small, the masses or "the banksters", nations or governments, should face the full wind of economic honesty. That way, LASTING improvement can take place. The system needs to "be shot" and something better and more honest allowed to take its place...
Ultimately the little people will have to find that their purchasing power has been shredded, their paper savings decimated and that their entitlement expectations will not be met. Sad, but the truth.
The most important fact is that Ireland’s situation is a result of the domestic banks’ mounting debts. I think the country deserves the bailout much more than Greece because there the debt was the result of insufficient regulation of public expenditures.
ReplyDeletebruce, what is the transmission mechanism for making costs higher for the next guy in line? say spain.
ReplyDeleteyou fund by shorting spain and then buy ireland and pocket the spread? or is just markets mood turning to the next one?
Anon 1:17: Just markets mood turning to the next one. Simple but elegant.
ReplyDeleteBruce,
ReplyDeleteThat USD 2300bn number for external debt is misleading and seems impossibly high as a reflection of government debt and bank debt.
According to CIA, Irish GDP is some USD 173bn, so a USD 2300bn external debt would be 13x this. If you add all the debt of Bank of Ireland, Anglo-Irish & Allied Irish you get to some EUR 180bn and at least part of this is held domestically.
I would guess the CIA number includes all the liabilities that come from the fund administration/depository business which is based in Ireland. This seems to be confirmed by the fact that Luxembourg (the other fund administration hub in the EU) is just below Japan on this list.
I think your earlier number of USD 160bn for Ireland+Portugal is closer to reality. Still it could leave the US on the hook for some USD 15bn.
@ Mr. Kowalski: "Instability and violence are the handmaidens of economic collapses." War is a handmaiden, too.
ReplyDeleteBruce, if the Fed doesn't intervene, tell us how you think the dominoes might fall over here in the U.S.
dv, Look again at the numbers and consider Luxembourg. The numbers are off the chart.
ReplyDeleteThese numbers are misleading. Lux is a major EU banking center. That debt is not an obligation of the citizens/state. They are IOUs of the very big banks that have offices here. Against these debts there are assets. Most of the assets are rock solid, but some are not. I call this the Money Center Bank Syndrome.
Ireland also has big banks. They have assets outside the country. They are global banks and, as in Lux., suffer from the MCBS. Normally this is not a problem. But these are not normal times. How do you unwind this???